Most of us are now familiar with the .17 HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire) and its centre-fire predecessor, the .17 Remington. I got a friend that is a coyote hunting machine and he swears by the 204. The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators.There are those such as P.O. 17 vs .22-250 - posted in Guns, Loads, Optics and Gear for Varmint Hunting: I am buying a new varmint gun to shoot pd's and coyotes. T he .17 Hornet is the quintessential mid-range varmint cartridge—regardless if you’re hunting east or west of the Mississippi River. vs. .458 Lott• 7mm Rem. I have the .17 Hornet and a .223. The .17 Remington is an excellent varmint round, and the with a drop of just 3.17" at 250 yards this round is great for just that. vs. .300 WSM• .223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington, E-mail your comments/questions about this site to: EmediaHunter@nrahq.org, For questions/comments about American Hunter magazine, please e-mail:Publications@nrahq.org, You can contact the NRA via phone at: NRA Member Programs1-800-672-3888, To advertise on American Hunter, visit nramediakit.com for more information. I can get dies for both, brass is easy for the .17 Rem when .223 cases are around. I am considering either the .17 Remington or a .17 Hornet. The taper of the case is different and the shoulder is 25 degrees necked down to the .17 bullet. Mag.• .30-06 Springfield vs. .270 Winchester• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 8x57 Mauser vs. .318 Westley Richards• .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum• .22-250 Remington vs. .220 Swift• .270 Winchester vs. .270 WSM• .26 Nosler vs. 6.5-300 Weatherby Magnum• .458 Win. It was designed exclusively as a varmint round, though it is suitable for smaller predators.There are those such as P.O. The .17 Remington is based on the .223 Remington or the .222 Remington Magnum, depending on which account you read, though looking at the design, the .222 Remington Magnum makes more sense to me. P.O. It is based on the .223 Remington case necked down to .172 in (4.37 mm), with the shoulder moved back. That said, owning both and shooting both is sort of like owning and shooting a 243 and a 6 mm !! .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". I’ve used it for foxes and coyotes here in the northeast, and it’s proven itself on a hot prairie dog town. Werfen wir einen Blick auf die .17 Remington und die .17 Hornet und vergleichen und vergleichen wir ihre Eigenschaften. The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. by Philip Massaro - 17 Remington is the 222 Mag necked down with shoulder bumped back. Fireball launches a 25 grain bullet at 3850 fps. Tip Lead Free bullets had an average velocity of 2752 f.p.s. Assuming a 200-yard zero for both cartridges, and using a 20-grain bullet for comparative purposes, the .17 Remington will hit about two inches higher at 300 yards than will the .17 Hornet (4.6 inches of drop for the Remington vs. 6.4 inches for the Hornet), yet in the hands of an experienced rifleman, that difference can easily be accounted for. , than differences.. 22 Hornet drops 5.8" and is blown off target by 7" in a meagre 5 MPH cross wind The 17 Hornet - drops only 2" and drifts 2.8" in comparison. But if you really want a 17 and want to kill coyote consistently I would stick with the 17 Fireball or 17 Rem. I have not taken a 22 PD shooting for quite a while. powered by 17… I had zapped numerous crows with mine and a chuck or two. The 17WSM I have seen work over prairie dogs was impressive but the 17HMR is a much better choice for a rimfire rifle. I took some time yesterday and called Remington. Fireball. Last fall, my dad brought his new Savage M25 to Afognak, and after taking a few foxes with it, I knew I had to have one. I've owned every type of 17,out there I stop reloading when Hornady & Remington came out with loaded rounds.FYI 17/Hornet Ammo is cheaper then 17WSM. Some of the newer CZ's have a pretty rough action from the factory. The Remington Model 7 used to be available in .17 and it would make a good walking around … I have been thinking about buying a Savage 12VBSS in 223 Remington and rebarrel it to either 17 Rem or 222 Rem. The 17 Hornet – an economical, fun .17 caliber centerfire cartridge that puts the STING on varmints out to 300 yards! as the 22 Hornet (uses the existing action). factory rounds suck! The 17 Remington Fireball, based on the classic .221 Remington Fireball case, is an extremely well balanced cartridge that provides laser-flat trajectory, with match grade accuracy, all in a compact package that does not require excessive maintenance and won’t burn out barrels. Fireball VS .17 Remington Just curious about my options. My averages for each are, WSR, 3672fps, CCI-400, 3676fps and Rem 6 1/2, 3659fps. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. I have been thinking about buying a Savage 12VBSS in 223 Remington and rebarrel it to either 17 Rem or 222 Rem. Some loss of cases may occur during fireforming, but the 17 Hornet is a good one for single-shot rifle fans and exhibits decent ballistics for its size. the 17 rem is more then 300 fps over the hornet. Massively better performance. I have both, 17 Hornet and 204, both are CZ 527 Varmint models. Sharing the rimmed design of the parent case, the .17 Hornet feeds nicely in a bolt-action repeating rifle—I spent some time with a Savage Model 25 Walking Varminter which shot very well—and will handle both varmints and predators to the same 300 to 350 yards that the .17 Remington will. I'm just looking to build a new coyote rifle and was wondering about the difference between the Tac 17 & the 17 Rem. My test were between CCI 400, WSR and Remington 6 1/2. Why is Remington pushing the 17 Rem. It is nice, almost silent, and laser accurate at the ranges I use it for, but it just does not have the stopping power to take coyotes reliably. The .17 Remington Fireball was created in 2007 by Remington Arms Company as a response to the popular wildcat round, the .17 Mach IV.Factory loads drive a 20 grain (1.3 g) bullet around 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s). .17 Hornet calibre review. I’m betting the .17 Hornet will hang in there, however, because it has a ready-made home as any gun chambered for the .22 Hornet can also be chambered for the .17. The small bore fouls easily, and you can see accuracy degrade in as little as ten shots in certain rifles, but they are a death ray on varmints and predators. You will find the smallest commercial cartridges available are the .17-inch bores, and while they’ve been around exactly as long as I have, the shooting public seems to have an on-again-off-again relationship with the .17s. They said the 17 Hornet is on the watch list and if they get enough response (emails preferred) from customers wanting one they will build it. I shoot just about everything suppressed but even unsuppressed the 17 Hornet isn't particularly loud and is MUCH quieter than my 204. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. Looking at the ballistics, the 17 Rem. Stuff just dies and you can barely tell they were hit with anything. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. Both shoot better than I can shoot them. There have been many other variants of the .17 calibre. it is also better in the wind then the hornet. At these velocities, the bullets are subjected to all sorts of stresses upon impact, and I’ve seen some over-zealous handloads strip the jacket from the core of the bullets. Last fall, my dad brought his new Savage M25 to Afognak, and after taking a few foxes with it, I knew I had to have one. powered by 17… If it were me I would make a straight 17 Remington or a 17-204 which is about the same as the 17 Rem for the most part. Others brought 22-250's and one had a 22-250 AI besides their 223's. V-MAX bullet Same C.O.L. The .223 Rem. Same C.O.L. I am having problems with my .17 HMR. Let’s take a look at the .17 Remington and the .17 Hornet and compare and contrast their attributes. looks better then the 17 Rem. For smaller sized game, the little 17 Hornet is one of the most fun little guns I own. The majority of .17-caliber loads are centered around 20- and 25-grain bullets (there are component bullets as heavy as 30 grains), and the centerfire .17 cases attain some serious velocity. I would not get rid of either of these little screamers. Looking at the 2 calibers mostly for a short range varmint rifle, 100 - 150 yds max. The .17 Remington was introduced in 1971 by Remington Arms Company for their model 700 rifles.. It feels even better shooting a projectile at more than twice the weight and twice the speed. Lower cost and comparable quality to the 17 Fireball and 223 Rem. More recent cartridges like the .17 HMR, and the .17 Fireball have been released in the last 10 years and have given other similar rounds some competition. factory rounds suck! I've owned every type of 17,out there I stop reloading when Hornady & Remington came out with loaded rounds.FYI 17/Hornet Ammo is cheaper then 17WSM. If it were me I would make a straight 17 Remington or a 17-204 which is about the same as the 17 Rem for the most part. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! I don't use magnum primers because I believe they actually degraded accuracy in my loads. I have a .17 HMR and I love it. The 17 Rem is a heck of a little round IF and only IF you reload! Is it more accurate? The .17 Hornet, son of the classic .22 Hornet that our grandfathers delighted in shooting, is a well-balanced design. I'd combine one of the rimfires with a .17 Hornet. 17 Remington is the 222 Mag necked down with shoulder bumped back. yes it uses more powder. Mag. Log in. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. The following ammunition cartridge ballistics information and chart can be used to approximately compare .17 WSM Winchester Super Magnum vs .22 Hornet ammo rounds. Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem, but the felt recoil of a 22 WMR. Mag. .17 Rem (top) v .22-250 (bottom) Q: I own a Remington Model 700 in .17 Remington that has been rebarreled with a Maddco barrel 600mm long and shoots groups averaging .25". I have both, 17 Hornet and 204, both are CZ 527 Varmint models. I also had one of the 700 Classics, just to try out. For smaller sized game, the little 17 Hornet is one of the most fun little guns I own. Die Hard Member Registered: 03/07/13 Posts: 528 Loc: Freestone county Texas I own both CZ's and Savage's and to me yes the CZ is a much more quality rifle. 17 Mach IV vs. the 17 Remington, in RifleMagazine.com..17 Remington Fireball, in HuntingMag.com. Less fouling, barrel wear, powder and pressure compared to the 17 Rem. Same C.O.L. The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. Mag.• .404 Jeffery vs. .416 Rigby• .243 Winchester vs. 6mm Creedmoor• .300 PRC vs. .300 Win. Wow Your not Hi on the 223 or the 17s, I'm a 17/Hornet shooter from 1960 my first was built on my 1937-M-70 by P.O.Ackley in PA. Hornady has new brass for .17 Hornet. Tip Lead Free bullets had an average velocity of 2752 f.p.s. Had I had any idea the 17 Hornet was coming (even if the 17AH is 200 FPS faster) I would have done the 17 Hornet instead. Fireball VS .17 Remington Just curious about my options. This was with 9.3 gr of Lil'Gun with 20 gr VMax and Hornady brass. A few even recommended either a .243 or a 6mm as a good, "stop them in their tracks kind of gun". out of the rem and the 17 hornet i would pick the rem. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. The latest of the SAAMI standardized centerfire .17's is the .17 Hornet, designed and introduced by Hornady. There are smaller bore diameters, but you’ll have to look long and hard to find them. Im looking at CZ 527s and just cannot make up my mind. I have a thing for small bore rifles. The new issue of Rifle has a review of the CZ527 for 22 hornet and they mention ed that the 527 can be had in a 222 remington. Ackley’s .22 Hornet was introduced by Hornady in 2011, likely to compete with Remington’s Fireball . The muzzle velocities generated by the .17 Hornet run considerably slower than the .17 Remington—3650 fps for the 20-grain load, and 3870 fps for the lighter 15.5-grain NTX load from Hornady—yet the pressures, barrel wear and fouling are also less than those associated with the larger-cased .17 Remington. Somehow shooting a round the same diameter as the old pellet gun I grew up shooting feels good. .17 Hornet This .17-caliber version of P.O. as the 22 Hornet – uses the existing action Trajectory comparable to a traditional 55 gr 223 Rem… And having a 17 Hornet for the longer shots make sense. Dennis I have both the 204 and 17 hornet and believe you are correct. The Savage Model 25 in .17 Hornet is a lot of fun to shoot. Ackley in the early 1950s. Basically just a fun toy for plinking paper. The new issue of Rifle has a review of the CZ527 for 22 hornet and they mention ed that the 527 can be had in a 222 remington. Thanks I like the 17 Hornet but do not really call it my coyote gun but would use it if under 100 yds. This short cartridge was initially chambered in Remington’s XP-100 bolt-action single-shot handgun. Kudos to Hornady for recognizing the potential of the design, and for bringing it to the masses. Ackley also modified the venerable .22 Hornet, necking it down to .17, but Hornady’s 2011 release of the commercialized .17 Hornet grabbed some attention. DRT your taking something home. Werfen wir einen Blick auf die .17 Remington und die .17 Hornet und vergleichen und vergleichen wir ihre Eigenschaften. 17 Hornet 20gr. 17-223 IS NOT a 17 Remington! It’s a bonified 350-yard coyote cartridge that’s currently chambered for Savage’s Model 25 bolt action . But, in a good rifle, the .17 Remington can be a very accurate cartridge, and has very little recoil, though the report is on the loud side for the size of the projectile. Although as most people in this world I am a little bias as toward my own. He created this non-factory (wildcat) offering by simply necking-down the .22 Hornet to .17 caliber and fire-forming the resized cases in his new chamber design. Some of the newer CZ's have a pretty rough action from the factory. 17 Hornet vs 17 Fireball - posted in Varminter Magazine - Main Hunting Discussion Forum: I am simply curious as to the opinions of others. The 20-grain bullet can be pushed to over 4200 fps, and the 25-grain bullet breaks the 4000 fps mark, as well. Shop Great Deals for .17 Hornet in our Rifles Department | Sportsman's Guide Both are important issues to high-volume shooters such as varmint hunters. Hunting Ammunition : Best Bullet For Your Game Without Destroying It. This little cartridge is small in size and cost, but big in performance. We've got you covered.• 7mm RUM vs. .300 RUM• .308 Winchester vs. 7mm-08 Remington• 6.5 Creedmoor vs. .260 Remington• .303 British vs. 8x57 Mauser• .30-06 Springfield vs. All Other .30s• .17 HMR vs. .17 WSM• .450 Nitro Express vs. .470 Nitro Express• 350 Legend vs. .35 Remington• .280 Ackley Improved vs. 7mm Rem. Cartridges like the .204 Rug., .17 Rem., and .223 Rem., on the other end of the spectrum, typically blow huge holes in the hides. The .17 is not as quiet as the Hornet and adds the additional complication of requiring .17 caliber bullets and cleaning rods which are not always easy to find. Researched both calibers very well with balistics and reloading. Being rimfire, and therefore virtually un-reloadable, the cartridges are a one-and-done proposition. My collection will always include a .223 and .308 rifle. I have a .17 HMR and I love it. The .17 Hornet is a .17 caliber centerfire rifle cartridge originally offered as a "wildcat cartridge" developed by P.O. As far as I know, Remington is the only major arms manufacturer currently producing .17 Remington and .17 Fireball rifles. The 17 Rem is a heck of a little round IF and only IF you reload! V-max - 5 fox - 4 of the 5 need sewn from large exit holes 1 coyote chest shot at 100 yards spun & run no recovery 204 Ruger 40 gr. I like the Hornet a lot but for practical handling and varmit blasting, the .204 s hard to beat with its .222 Mag case and .204 bore which is much easier to clean and manage than the .177. Although it shares the name and pays homage to it, the .17 Hornet is a very different thing from the .22 Hornet. but they chamber 8 rifles in the 17 Rem. Ackley who used it on much larger game, but such use is not typical. The Hornet ammo—available from Hornady and Federal—runs between $0.70 and $0.90 per round, while the .17 Remington ammo—available from Remington and Nosler—costs about $1.70 per round. I myself have never fired a 17 Rem.. Log in to see fewer ads Considering each of these for my next rifle purchase. Remington doesn't even chamber a rifle for the 17 Rem. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. I do believe the 17 hornet will not be as hard on barrels as the 204! The .17 Remington Fireball introduced a few years ago is a somewhat larger edition of the .17 Hornet, but the Fireball is less than trendy. No matter how you launch one of the 20 or 25-grain bullets, their weight and ballistic coefficient are so low that it makes the effects of wind deflection a definite consideration. Fireball. 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